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Dec 05, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2007
Guild: WML, MELL, RUNI
Profession: P/
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To be fair I use the "imba" build about 99% of the time.
And personally I think it is my right as a paragon to use that build infact I see that build as a compensation for having a hard time finding a team in the elite areas. Just as a couple of persons already stated you only find cookiecutterbuilds in those areas and thx to builds as the "imba" paragon build you can actually do one of those areas with a less experienced PUG (read people NOT using the cookiecutter builds becuaze they don't know it etc.). Second note even if the build is so "imba" why oh why do we not belong to the cookiecutterbuildsclub ? Why aren't we begged to join some elite mission team ??? Why aren't the elite mission outposts filled with dudes in shirts ?? Even with having an "imba" build people don't want us in there groups, even if they could use us verry well they still don't want us. (fact: about every elite mission cookiecutter build uses fire eles (except for the (ex-)topk one)) Yes most cookiecutterteams tend to focus on one person taking all the hits, but still if the build is sooooo ubber powerfull wouldn't they just make a team build around it ? Another thing alot of paragons I met in nf (the ones I met in eotn,proph and factions tend to use the build) didn't even know of the excistence of the 'imba' build. And not all of em were on newbie island... This 'imba' build is for the most paragons(with other words the ones that aren't guild/alliance grouping all the time) the only way to survive everything gw trows at us. Cause really it is hard for a paragon to find an elite mission team and if we wanne vanquish we most of the time gotta pray the hench don't act tooo stopid. Yes the build is imba but is also the only reason why paragons can still be used effective in pve. IF that build get nerfed (fully, as the AR and tntf did hurt but it still didn't made the build so much less effective) we gonne be rly a death proffesion infact I think anet should release an accountbased title based on the hours we spent on our beloved paragons... (although I dunno if I should use -we- as only a low percentage of the people posting here actually seems to play as a paragon(sorry but seeing the hard times I had playing a paragon... with this build as only lightpoint... and you guys wanting it nerfed... I think I min or less have the right to say so) ) This is my vision on it and if you gonne flame me or so plz read the post fully and try to have some sort of empathy towards the paragon profession. |
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Dec 05, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Niflheim
Profession: R/
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Wait, wait. Paragons are crying now because of fear of being useless in PvE? So...
...as an owner of both Mesmer and Assassin I should have killed myself by now, am I right? We can't solo farm, we can't team farm, we can't get into teams... I have only HnH for both characters. And as long as they are not welcomed in PuGs, the PvE IS imbalanced. Remember, imba = one character is better/worse than other ones. |
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Dec 05, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16
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#143 |
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2007
Guild: WML, MELL, RUNI
Profession: P/
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well did I ever said that mesmers and assassins are worse off than paragons ?
AND if you assassin/ mesmer best build would be getting the -should get nerfed talk- what would you do ? except doining what i just did ? We aren't useless ...yet. I ' ' all the imba words in case you didn't notice -_-' assassins and mesmers can farm twice better than paragons at minimum, just go to farming section and count . |
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Dec 05, 2007, 06:22 PM // 18:22
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#144 |
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Uk,Wales
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hey wazz, Hmm i like to keep things short... paragons rock and have much more purpose than assasins, hell assasins have absolutely no team support, bit like the lone ninja who gets owned in enemy territory lol, but yeh paragons are gud, just have been hit by the nerf bat too many times for another.
team Survival support examples Monk - well yeh Ranger - Traps/Spirits Necro - Wells - Energy Support Mesmer - Very little but can protect allys for foes easily Warrior - Takes Agro Elementalist - Wards Paragons - Well yeh Ritualist - Healing - Spirit Support Derv - Some Team Healing Assasins - Nothing.... Last edited by dont feel no pain; Dec 05, 2007 at 06:25 PM // 18:25.. |
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Dec 05, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40
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Academy Page
Join Date: Sep 2007
Guild: GWOnline
Profession: P/W
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we don't piss em off in PvP with it, we don't massive farm some greens and screw up the economy. we only do our thing, try to get titles, vanquish and complete HM missions. is it because all of you never tasted the sweetness of a ''neverdying'' NPC team? you all should try the paragon with the ''imba'' build. there is one thing though...why do you all call it the imballanced build? I feel it stands up for all the friggin nerfs Anet has been zealing on it. And thoughout all the nerfs and Bullshit, the build is still as effective. Jealous because your poor searing flames build got owned perhaps? 
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Dec 05, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34
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#146 |
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2007
Guild: WML, MELL, RUNI
Profession: P/
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hehe thx graice you kinda said what I was thinking :-p
assassins with right build can own though :-p |
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Dec 05, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Georgia, United States
Guild: League Of Commanders [LoC]
Profession: P/
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Your vision is right on! Im glad we have the TNTF/SY build we can do stuff by ourselves, which is good because we have been shunned from most groups anyway. People who want the build nerfed don't understand that theres nothing in PvE that can touch that build for a Paragon. All we get is nerfs all the time. Oh well even if they nerf the build for some stupid reason ill still play paragon because its fun. |
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Dec 05, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Assassins? Ritualists? There are more professions that are "shunned" more then paragons... paragons aren't even shunned. but they don't get some super awsome build from god.... I have no problems with paragons being powerful, but let's be honest... Isn't 87% Damage Reduction for the whole party WITH powerful dps a little imbalanced? I find it interesting people claim paragons, are not wanted. I use my brother's paragons at times and I am BEGGED to join groups to the point I have to put people on my ignore list because they pester me so much to join their groups. PvE guilds would LOVE to have another paragon in their guild because paragons are the GW GODS, they are unstoppable angels of death. |
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Dec 05, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2007
Guild: WML, MELL, RUNI
Profession: P/
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he never said (nor did I)that we (paragons) are the only ones being shunned ...
paragon are not wanted your are either dreaming or didn't play gw for the last 10 months, toxage. So we got our ownage build wich we can use to vanquish/etc can we keep it plz ? Or do you rly want to spoil the fun ? edit: hmmm now I gonne say something that gonne get me flamed to hell but here goes: is it balanced that you need a monk for about every mission,every vanquish and every elite mission ? If so than is the use of the 'imba' build used by paragons not a fair alternative to -break- that chain of monk needs ? We got an equal amount of armour as a monk if we want a decent dps , we can put 35% dam reducing up half the time (remember the nerf on tntf ?) we can put an extra dam reducing up IF I repeat IF the foe is burning (now tell me call me one person who actually will try (and manage) to keep all foes burning all the time) ok thna you got SY but you need to dedicate about half your bar towards the use of that ONE shout. Only real better thing is (toward a prot monk): our defences are instripable. Last edited by wazz; Dec 05, 2007 at 09:08 PM // 21:08.. |
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Dec 05, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Georgia, United States
Guild: League Of Commanders [LoC]
Profession: P/
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Never said that they were not the only one's neglected but seriously you say your using your brother's Paragon which must mean your not a veteran with this class and your early judgment of imbalance has some valid points, however theres nothing that runs better in PvE you don't offer a valid solution to the class but you just seem to slander it. I think you have a valid point and i respect it, but please at least look at what has happened to Paragon skills since NF originally they were so overpowered it wasn't even funny. So skills began to be nerfed for PvP balance. Now PvE paragons have suffered just as much as mesmers and sins and ritualist and if you think any of these classes are a joke then your horribly mistaken. So these PvE skills have made the Paragon very good in PvE since it obviously is not supposed to be overpowered in PvP because most of the skills were broken. So now Paragons have a really good PvE build and now the first thought is it's overpowered sure, but most of the skills were probably designed (especially TNTF) to make up for all the nerfs and probably breed new life in the class. Most PvE paragons run that build because it works the best. Everyone will always run the best skills it's just how the game goes. |
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Dec 06, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45
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Banned
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Dec 06, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Sep 2005
Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]
Profession: A/
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Dec 07, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Done.
Guild: [JUNK]
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Which one of you guys should be Shaft again? |
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Dec 07, 2007, 10:54 AM // 10:54
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Guild: None
Profession: W/
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Dec 07, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06
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#155 |
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: in my house
Guild: The Arctic Maruarders [TAM]
Profession: A/
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assassins bad in pve?
.. lol.. assassins arent bad in pve people are bad in pve. |
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Dec 07, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02
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#156 |
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Nov 2007
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seen this a few times already, some people suggested that paragon is more popular than mesmer, sin, rit etc. u can just check the rune trader, its a little bit of indication of what people use or need. eg. the superior monk runes cost a shit load due to the popularity of 55/105 build. minor str rune is also very popular choice for warrior.
this is a bit of indication, not 100%. atm, memser and paragon has all rune 100g except 2 of them. which likely to make them the least 2 popular profession of all. price wise, mesmer's non-100g rune cost 190g and 140g, while para's 2 non-100g rune cost 190g and 110g. and again, let's not argue over the accuracy of these... i said its only a brief indication. there are always people out there running full vitae or full attunment runes. back to topic, agree with most of what wazz said. its a good build, and we'll use it. i m pretty sure most people would have no problem using the 55 monk. i mean come on, that dude can solo and vanquish the whole zone. that's not very normal game play now is it. but guess what, anet give u more than one character slot, so u can make the imba build urself. its like whining over those 55 necro, farming rit, SF build, kurz FFF, 600/smite, solo derv, A/E or E/A blah blah blah the list goes on. a lot of these builds have been around for a damn very long time. they all very imba, and we all know a-net will not fix it. imba? make one urself, then its balanced. to Abedeus, both sin and mes can solo farm, although not very great return some of them. the builds and guides are in farming forum of guru. |
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Dec 07, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35
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#157 |
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Profession: R/W
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Paragon - A walking gaylord equipped with 10 inch thick armor whose smelly breath somehow strengthen his teammates immensely.
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Dec 07, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53
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Teenager with attitude
Join Date: Jul 2005
Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]
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Dec 07, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Dec 07, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39
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#160 |
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Academy Page
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS]
Profession: P/W
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I'm just curious as to why you people who are bitching about it even care.
How does how someone else chooses to play the game affect how you play the game? How does some guy who plays a paragon affect how you play your warrior, ranger, necro, etc? Why do you feel you need complain about and try to get nerfed a profession you don't play and doesn't affect you in any way? If someone chooses to play the game with an imbalanced build, Ursanway, etc., that his/her choice. Shut the hell up and play the game for you and your enjoyment. Stop trying to ruin it for others. It's none of your business. |
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